Friday, August 28, 2009

Here Are The Facts About H.R. 3200

Do you want to whine and cry about socialized healthcare?
Would you like to be Tea Bagged for hours on end or would you like some fucking facts about Health care reform and how it would affect you, and everyone in your own Congressional district?

I am talking about dollars. Those who would be spared certain bankruptcy, just how many PEOPLE it would affect directly and where the fucking money would come from.

Would you care to actually see this information or would you rather listen to the lying cocksuckers from Faux news and those reprehensible, lying, dirt bag Republicans?
Here now, don't be uninformed, that is UnAmerican in this day and age.

Here are the facts, RIGHT FUCKING HERE.

Click on the damn link, go to your damn state and then click on your damn Congressional district.

If you do not know your own Congressional district I am going to Bitch Slap ya.

Google it fer cryin' out loud.

Here is a small sample of what you will see, from my District;

America’s Affordable Health Choices Act would provide significant benefits in the 3rd Congressional District of Washington: up to 16,800 small businesses could receive tax credits to provide coverage to their employees; 11,500 seniors would avoid the donut hole in Medicare Part D; 1,550 families could escape bankruptcy each year due to unaffordable health care costs; health care providers would receive payment for $38 million in uncompensated care each year; and 91,000 uninsured individuals would gain access to high-quality, affordable health insurance. Congressman Brian Baird represents the district.


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• No deficit spending. The cost of health care reform under the legislation is fully paid for: half through making the Medicare and Medicaid program more efficient and half through a surtax on the income of the wealthiest individuals. This surtax would affect only 3,100 households in the district. The surtax would not affect 99.1% of taxpayers in the district.


Those are the real numbers and Fuck those Republican whores , the Blue Dogs who kiss their asses and those Insurance motherfuckers too.

33 comments:

  1. great job busted!!! You are here for us when we need this info, I just wish the other side would actually read and understand, I have no hope they will, sadly. But then again who the fuck cares about them, Obama will sign a bill we will approve of, I'm sure of it!!

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  2. I must respectfully disagree Busted. This thing will push the whole country into certain bankruptcy. "No defecit spending" is complete bullshit. Where is that 1.5 trillion or whatever the fuck supposed to come from? And all the bullshit provisions in that Obamination of a bill would make Marx jealous. I want Freedom! I want government to get the fuck out of my way, and mind their own goddamn business. Dump the bullshit laws that won't allow us to purchase insurance across state lines, tell the lawyers to take a flying fucking leap, get rid of all the bureaucratic red tape, and watch the prices fall!!! Like it or not, government caused this fucking mess, and more government sure as hell ain't gonna fix it....

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  3. Well said, Busted. Thanks for the link too.

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  4. Anonymous12:57 PM

    Busted appears to be a communist Obama bootlicker. Well done, you weak-spined pinhead.

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  5. I'm SURE you believe everything they tell you. Here's the Bill, read it for yourself and ask yourself where the money is going to come from to pay for all this:
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200.IH:
    You talk big, now do something.
    YeOldFurt

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  6. My info from the link is very similar to yours, Busted. Perhaps the difference is that I don't believe the bureaucrats (asshats) that wrote it.

    99% of the taxpayers in this county won't be affected, eh? That sounds eerily like most of us get a free lunch, or free healthcare.

    When was the last time that a bunch of grubermint workers put together an estimate that was not seiously understated? How did that prescription drug bill work out?

    The cost for the thugs at the airports? How about the postal "service"? The cost of the wars overseas? The cost of the "TARP" bailout?

    The grubermint fucks up EVERYTHING that it gets involved in. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The majority of the American people do not want the grubermint making their health care decisions for them.

    If the assholes in washington city "force this down our throats" it will end badly.

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  8. Busted, that's the best idea I heard all day. Bring the troops home, end the wars, and then work on healthcare.... But that makes too much fuckin' sense, and it's what most of us want, so it'll never happen.

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  9. Anonymous1:51 PM

    I am truly amazed that anyone who is over the age of 18 would believe that any Goverment program will be run effeiciently and effectively. Taxing the wealthy sounds great to poor folks but do you actualy believe that the wealthy wont scramble and hide assets? why do you think congress chose to say they would tax the wealthy? They are mostly very wealthy themselves. Can you honestly name one Government program that does not have excesses and abuses and ridiculous administrative costs?The track record of all administrations and particularly this one is SPEND then TAX. The wealthy will just raise the costs of goods and services thereby increasing your COST OF LIVING. The Medicare and Medicaid programs will continue to have flaws that someone will exploit. Imagine yourself having 3000 thousand dollars of income this year. Are you just going to smile and give up some extra dough to uncle sugar. if you altruisticly give more than your share God Bless You You are a better man than me. I will agressively pursue every avenue of safegaurding my assets for my family guess i am selfish. just like the rich folk who will laugh all the way to the bank as usual.

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  10. Anonymous2:02 PM

    Yes by all means lets trust our Governement to run medicaide and medicare more efficiently and to tax the heck out of those evil rich people
    ...WASHINGTON -- Rep. Charles Rangel failed to report as much as $1.3 million in outside income -- including up to $1 million for a Harlem building sale -- on financial-disclosure forms he filed between 2002 and 2006, according to newly amended records.

    The documents also show the embattled chairman of the Ways and Means Committee -- who is being probed by the House Ethics Committee -- failed to reveal a staggering $3 million in various business transactions over the same period....
    Yep i am very confident that CHANGE is blowin in the wind lets hold hands and sing

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  11. Busted, here you have some more numbers to crunch:

    Percentage change since 2002 in average premiums paid to large US health-insurance companies: +87%

    Percentage change in the profits of the top ten insurance companies: +428%

    Chances that an American bankrupted by medical bills has health insurance: 7 in 10

    Continue here if you want.

    3,000 people die less than every two months because they cannot afford health care. Go here to see people, most of them working and insured, who waited 36 hours, in Los Angeles, to see a doctor (provided, by the way, by a British charity organization). Rather than going into blog battles over the issue, you tell them why a universal health care program is not good for them.

    Or talk to these folks and tell them the same thing.

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  12. BTW, my last comment was not directed at you, Busted, but at all those "brave" anonymous trolls and the government-haters.

    But I think you'll enjoy the first link I included there.

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  13. Well you know what Elizabeth, us "government haters" are Freedom Lovers. We think along the lines of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and the like. You know, all those "evil revolutionary rabble rousers". Those who gave their lives and fortunes against tyranny, taxation without representation and such. Those "classic liberals" who stood against oppression, excessive taxation, excessive government intervention and such. Yeah, that bunch of fuckin' scumbags....

    You might want to "save the world", and that's commendable. But doing so by theft (taxation)and tyranny of government coersion (the same thing) is fuckin' sick, twisted, demented, and any other term that might apply along those lines....

    "people can't afford healthcare" is absolute fucking bullshit. Any Tom, Dick, or Harry can walk, stumble, or be dragged into an ER, and must be treated by law. We got medicare, medicaid, and all that bullshit. So if 3000 people die every other month, it's because they were too fuckin' lazy to sign up for welfare, or they were too fuckin' stupid to take themselves to the ER. Your arguments are complete bullshit...

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  14. Mayberry, I hope that rather than sling invectives in the direction of people with whom you disagree, you'd want to acquaint yourself with facts.

    The majority of the people who lined up to see a RAM-provided doctor in LA two weeks ago are working and insured. So is the majority of Americans who file for bankruptcy because of exorbitant medical bills, which they are unable to pay. It is 7 out of 10. Working and insured, not as you put it, to f***** lazy to sign up for welfare (for which they don't qualify, btw). People get sick, sooner or later all and each one of us. I suggest you follow the links I gave in my comment above to see some of the people we are talking about, hard-working, insured, and dying (or going bankrupt) under the current health "care" system.

    I have absolutely nothing against your desire to be free of any government interference, in any shape or form. In fact, I respect it and expect that you are ready to put your money where your mouth is and, when the time comes (if it's not here already), you will voluntarily renounce your participation in ANY government-related programs, be it Medicare, Medicaid, VA, etc.

    And while at it, I hope you'll not send your children (if you have any) to public schools, nor use your public library, police or fire department services, because they too are government-run and paid for by our taxes. Moreover, you may consider staying off our public roads, which are paid for, again, with our taxes.

    So what say you, are you willing to sign a statement that will take you completely out of and away from all these evil government-run inconveniences?

    I hope so. Because if not, that would make you, well, what? Dishonest, or at least inconsistent, no?

    So when you're ready to op-out of any form of the government-sponsored life -- which, judging by your passion, should be ASAP, I'll be happy to send you an appropriate form.

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  15. Anonymous7:29 PM

    ERs are not supposed to be the treatment centers for all kinds of ailments. Emergency rooms are for emergencies, Mayberry. When you have people showing up in ER with stomach flu or ear infections because they cannot afford a regular doctor's visit, they take space and time away from treating those folks who are really in emergencies--strokes, heart attacks and so on.

    Besides who do you think picks up the tab for those ER visits made by the uninsured, who cannot afford to buy private insurance but don't qualify for Medicaid? It's you and me and all of us.

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  16. Mayberry, there is a 30% cost of doing business the private way, with layers of people in insurance hired just to find ways to DENY care, not to mention them executive bonuses for Exexutives. How you feel about the money given in TARP to the bankers?

    Medicare has proven to be successful, with lower costs per person and better health outcomes.

    The private sector plan, HMO's, Insurance plans, has left USA about 20th in the list of developed countries in outcomes, and about 3rd in MONEY SPENT by we the people.

    So, where's the money come from?

    A tax on the 3% and on large corporations.
    I'll assume yer not in that catagory, so you won't feel it a bit.

    And, savings of 30% or so on the bloated bureaucracy of private sector insurance and their executives.

    Are you on medicare? Are you 65 or older? Cuz that's working and it's government run and paid for thru taxes. If you are not, are your parents, or were they if they passed now?

    Do you like your police, fire, schools, roads, highways? Cuz they're public run, government run.

    Are they hurting? Hell yeah! Why? Cuz between Reagan and two Bushes, 20 years all told, taxes were CUT from profiteering corporations, that paid for those essential services you enjoy, and the rest of us enjoy.

    De regulation of all kinds of industries, including insurance for health, resulted in our premiums and the premiums our employers pay going up astronomically, due to greed and profiteering.

    So, I don't get why you think this is all about taking your rights away.

    Course, if you'd LIKE to explain exactly WHICH rights, and at what cost to you, I'd love to hear something besides angry repeats of rightwing rhetoric made up and touted by Glenn Beck and Rush.

    Rhetoric paid for by the same corporations that shipped our jobs overseas, consolidated our media and other industries, and charge us more and more every day for their services.

    Just sayin.

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  17. N Busted, thanks for some sanity in all the madness.

    Yer a hoss, hoss.

    Proud to read your blog.

    *G*

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  18. Anon 7:29, good points. I'd add that people who come to ER tend to be sicker, in general, because they cannot afford doc's visits and wait as long as they can. It is often too late to help them. And yes, we all pay for their expensive ER care one way or another -- and way too much than it would cost if their problems were treated right away by regular physicians.

    Mayberry (and all the Anons sick of the government and yearning for freedom), I must also throw in my challenge from above (of putting your money where your mouth is and opting out of the oppressive government-run life) the evil government FDA, which makes sure that the medications you take are safe and so is the food you eat. Plus the government-funded health research, which brings you all kinds of nifty treatments that help you stay healthy and live a better, longer life.

    If you don't want to benefit from safe meds and food, roads, schools, fire and police, etc., delivered to you -- to all of us -- thanks to that nasty and intrusive government that infringes on your freedom, there is a way out.

    Here is a form I'd like you to sign (click on the picture, print it out, sign it and take it to your representative).

    No problem, no pain -- we'll relieve you from participation in the government-run anything. You can have your wish -- I want government to get the fuck out of my way! -- come true. Freedom at last, just the way you like it.

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  19. Sorry but I am not buying it.

    Pickdog
    III

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  20. Neat trick, Elizabeth- sign a blogger's form and *POOF* just like magic, you don't have to pay income tax, socialist security tax, sales taxes, FICA, FUNA, SUNA tax, federal excise tax, sin tax.

    Wish it were so.

    We are talking about providing health care for X many more millions, and creating a tax sucking bureaucracy of another several thousands (to begin with) and somehow we are supposed to believe that this will be less expensive? We are supposed to believe that the people that wrote this "health care bill" figured out how to provide services like what we now have, plus pay the new federal *employees* and provide additional care for millions, maintain current levels of service *plus* and it will cost less???

    That does not compute, Will Robinson.

    Here is a link to how that is working in Russia:
    http://mises.org/story/3650

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  21. I am 68. I have worked all my life, paid all my taxes,voted for who I thought would do the best job. I have been blessed to live in the United States.

    I am sick and tired of all the special interests saying gimme gimme. Ever hear of family, or maybe helping yourself? Life is not easy, and nobody promised you a rose garden.

    If you want the government to give you health insurance take it. Just make sure I have the right to have private insurance if I want it. You can have my portion of my taxes for your "free" health care.

    And no I am not one of the "Rich Folks". My gross income last year was $36,000.00. And yes I am like Mayberry,YeOldfert,Coffe With The Hermit, and every other Ameerican that still believes in personal FREEDOM.

    See Ya

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  22. "Did It My Way", I like yer attitude.

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  23. You are still paying taxes, Milton? I'm surprised. I would imagine people who can't stand the government would find a way to both avoid paying taxes and, on principle, stop participating in anything that even smacks of the government.

    Don't tell me you are also driving on our public roads...

    I don't know what to say, other than it appears hypocritical. But surely you will refuse to be enrolled in Medicare and collect your Social Security payments, no? They are so... socialisticky-ish and evil.

    BTW, using Russia as an example of a well-functioning universal health care system is misguided. Russia's health care system is broken and their post-communism "reform" only added to their problems. Take a look at this to see how not to do a health care reform for more info (Russia is not alone in it, as you'll see).

    But we are not proposing anything remotely related to the Russian health care system -- and even if we did, it would be impossible to implement it here, because we have a completely different health care structure. If you want examples of how it is done well -- and of what we miss in this country -- look to France, Netherlands, U.K. and Canada.

    As of now, we spend more than twice than any of these countries on health care and have much worse outcomes in all health measures.

    I also suggest you watch Money-Driven Medicine, which explains well why we are in a deep doo-doo when it comes to health care and why we simply cannot afford to continue this way.

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  24. Milton, there is so much wrong with the Maltsev's article (though, yes, there are good points there as well) that I wouldn't know where to start debunking all the lies and half-truths he managed to insert there.

    Like those horrible waiting times in Canada and UK. Take a look at this, for example, to see the real waiting times in the UK for brain surgery after a diagnosed brain tumor. There is, essentially, no waiting at all. Imagine that.

    This is an issue close to my heart, because I was diagnosed with a brain tumor this year and had to wait over two weeks (with a potentially deadly tumor that could have killed me any time and with my awesome private insurance, here, in the US) to see a specialist. And I was lucky, because the first specialist I contacted -- and that my insurance would pay for -- offered to see me in a month. (I should also mention perhaps that my brain tumor was, first, missed on the initial MRI, and, second, when our awesome docs noticed it finally -- and even I could see it on the slides, though I'm not a doc -- they misdiagnosed it. But let's just set it aside.)

    FYI, I grew up under socialism and experienced this "evil" socialistic health care for the first 23 years of my life, so I can speak from direct experience. There was no rationing, no unreasonable waiting, no service denials, nobody died from treatable and/or preventable diseases, and nobody, ever, went bankrupt (of course) because of exorbitant medical bills. Yes, we were rather poor, so we lacked the medical infrastructure that money can buy -- thus fancy hospitals and state-of-the-art equipment were relatively rare.

    On the other hand, here, in the US, we have the money to afford it all, but we misuse it and mismanage it, creating nightmares for American citizens in the process and bankrupting the country, fast.

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  25. Busted, thank you for this forum.

    Elizabeth, I am sorry to read about your difficulties. I too have some medical difficulties that will go unmentioned. I have yet to read your link, but I will. And I am interested to know which country that you grew up in, and in which you were satisfied with the *one payer system*.

    And Elizabeth, I do not really hate the government, but I do totally lose my mind when the people that run our government violate their oath of office. As a student of government I have learned that the people that run our government are restrained to enumerated powers only. They swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution, so when the VIOLATE its provisions, I consider that an act of treason, and an attack on me personally.

    So, to be taxed for programs for which I can find no authority, I get a little ornery. Just not as much as the host here.

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  26. Well, Milton, then we agree on something, because I too get pissed off when my tax monies go to fund things I find unconscionable. We may differ, though, as to what those things are. :)

    Thanks for the kind words re: my health. I hope your problems are resolving too.

    As far as health care, perhaps we can agree (or not) on a compromise (which, btw, will not see the light of day any time soon): let's have Medicare for all who want it, and private insurance for those who don't. If someone is happy paying through their nose in premiums and deductibles for a casino-style health "insurance," which may or may not cover their medical expenses, who am I to argue with that? By all means, have at it.

    BTW, we (my husband and I) are self-employed and our monthly insurance premium is close to $1,000 now. Our yearly deductible is close to $10,000. We can no longer afford paying the premiums, but cannot drop the insurance and/or buy a new one because of my preexisting condition (and the possibility of further very expensive treatments in the future). I'll gladly sign on to Medicare and/or any public option available (not a moment too soon).

    And, as you well know, we are in a situation similar to that of millions of people in the country.

    BTW, I'm originally from Poland. And yes, I was/we were satisfied with our system, though it was not perfect (mainly because of the lack of money to fund the medical infrastructure -- hospitals, etc.)

    In fact, several years back we flew back to Poland to do basic health check-ups/tests for our family, which are still incomparably less expensive there.

    I'm certain you'll find people who would complain about it -- some for good reasons, others not so much. It's worth keeping in mind who's talking and why (i.e., if this is a physician who immigrated from the socialist/communist country and all of a sudden has a golden opportunity here to become a millionaire, of course they'll put down their past experiences. Granted, Polish doctors -- and I suspect Russian as well -- are grossly underpaid as it is.)

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  27. I'd really like to know just what freedoms all the doomsday people are losing who complain about healthcare reform?

    Are you people pissed off at ALL about the MONEY you lose and lost from corporate LACK of reform?

    And please, STOP it with this crap about tax sucking government meddling for healthcare!

    We've SOLVED that shit! Tax the 3% rich, which NONE of you grousing miserable misfits are, and eliminate private sector insurance and care as THEY cost 30% MORE to administer and pay bonuses to executives.

    AND, by insuring EVERYONE, we lower ER costs, OFF THE HOOK!

    So please, if yer gonna whine shitted forever about loss of freedoms and government intrusion in healthcare and banking and financial please have the FUCKIN DECENCY to put up some info, numbers, and POINTS and not the continual shitstream about YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY BACK!

    WHAT COUNTRY? The one without roads, police, services, rights for women, rights for BLACK people?

    Gimme a fuckin break. And show me some research to back up your rednecked bullshit ignorance.

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  28. Larue, m'dear, surely you do not expect facts and numbers (or logic and consistency) from the "Liberty or death!" crowd. It's like hoping for a dog to grow an extra tail.

    They scream about being oppressed and getting the guvinmint the fuck out of their lives even as they drive, on public streets and highways, to the Social Security office to collect their monthly payments. Or have them delivered to their doors by the evil socialistic Postal Service.

    But supposing that some of them may indeed have principles, along with facts and numbers that make sense, on their side, I too will wait to hear any possible responses to your questions.

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  29. Eliz, Busted . . . sorry I broke out and went viral.

    But thanks, and we're right.

    No facts? Pure bullshit.

    Pure racist, misogynist, homophobic and ignorant reasons to want their country back.

    And I'm not willin to deal with them, they are the enemy.

    They can rot as they are outnumbered.

    And I'll dance on their graves as they pass.

    Yes, I'm that pissed off at them.

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  30. Anonymous10:22 AM

    Jesus, Mary and Joseph people we are talking about a human right here. Our health. Why should it cost $3500.00 dollars out of my pocket and the Insurance company $24000.00 for a 4 hr visit and a 35 min procedure for preventive care. Can you say health care/insurance for profit. At what point did humanity decide that making a profit of someones misery was a humane act. Did I miss that email. For fucks sake. People come on. As for paying for it. It has been stated that if we repeal the bush tax cuts. That by the way didn't effect my taxes in anyway. That paying for this wouldn't be a problem. Hell that's just putting us back to the reagan tax cuts. As for the freedoms lost according to those above. Where the fuck are you getting your information. If medicare is expanded as a choice for all then doesn't that topple the monopoly and stranglehold that the have had on us. The operate word is choice. Keep you fucking health coverage if you think it's so sweet now. Why should I pay for healthcare for my parents (Medicare) or for the poor and disabled (Medicaid) or for schip for the children. Because it's the right and moral thing to do. If someone is bleeding on the side of the road don't be the callous motherfucker who just drives by. Last I heard do unto others was a noble thing. Thanks for the forum bro.


    Bustedsbro

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  31. Hey, Busted, Bustedbros, and all, meet Kevin.

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  32. At what point did humanity decide that making a profit of someones misery was a humane act.

    This is exactly the source of the problem. You can either have profits, or you can have health care -- but you can't have both. They are mutually exclusive.

    As soon as you introduce profits at any point during the interactions between a sick patient and his/her medical provider(s), the care portion goes out the window. It then becomes about money and making more money by any means possible, damn the patient and his/her best interests.

    And it's not necessarily because docs and other health providers are "evil," but they have to respond to the market pressures which require them to show continually increasing profits -- or fail and dissolve.

    Simply put, profits and health care don't mix.

    BTW, if you have a moment, see this. Serious, brief and informative.

    Now this, Hunger Insurance, is not so serious, but shows us all how stupid the idea of private health insurance really is. And it's a hoot, too.

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